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|ID||Project||Category||View Status||Date Submitted||Last Update|
|0000809||SUMo||Refactoring||public||2008-09-28 10:13||2013-11-15 21:15|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version||3.7|
|Summary||0000809: SUMo loads too many times|
|Description||When I open SUMo, it loads 105 programs, which takes 4 minutes.|
When I click "Check," it blanks out the listed programs and loads them again, which takes another 4 minutes.
Then it immediately blanks them out a second time and loads them a third time, which takes yet another 4 minutes.
Then, and only then, does it check them, which takes 50 seconds.
The programs obviously have to be loaded once, but why three times? Once they've been loaded, they should stay loaded. Clicking on
"Check" should result in SUMo immediately checking them. Is possible?
|Tags||optimization, UI, UX|
Loaded twice in 1 second....
Info [09-06-09 12:00:47] Checking...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:47] Loading finished : 51 items loaded
Info [09-06-09 12:00:47] Creating database backup
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Loading...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Preparing check operation
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Loading finished : 51 items loaded
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Creating database backup
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Loading...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning FFDShow Codec...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning XVid Codec...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning DivX Codec...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning Java...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning Shockwave...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning AIR...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning Flash...
Info [09-06-09 12:00:46] Scanning (light)...
||Have you unchecked the "reload before check" setting ?|
I have this trouble.
With unchecked button "reload before check" list loads 2 times. If button check - 3 times.
||OK, back to the top of the list. Will be fixed quickly.|
||Does it still occurs with v220.127.116.11 ?|
Just to add to have it explicitly stated even here:
Manual addition of file/folder should not need
the foreground GUI reload of the whole list.
||I think one automatic application list reload per session could be enough.|
All reloads following initial startup one
should be either explicitly requested by a user,
either advised but approved by user.
But former is better.
Or option to choose which variant.
Another thing that would be nice: cancle button of loading (especially on startup) which was there but has been removed a view versions ago!!! I don't mind if database is lost then - if i cancle i do a full scan anyway afterwars so startup scan is completely useless!!!
Similar Bugs: http://www.kcsoftwares.com/bugs/view.php?id=533 http://www.kcsoftwares.com/bugs/view.php?id=1329
Removed cause of http://www.kcsoftwares.com/bugs/view.php?id=1581 http://www.kcsoftwares.com/bugs/view.php?id=1605 - sorry but then ppl shouldnt cancle??? You can make a warning that DB will be lost but dont remove it!!!
Are there problems in tracking of nature of the issue, e.g. reproducibility ?
Do you need other feedback aside of the forum provided log ?
It is very annoying behavior apps load being done twice before check,
if reload before check is set to OFF ( start up one and before check one).
Even 3 times - twice before check if set it ON.
Is it not reproducible,is is hard to implement,
or just nobody is bothered by it but me ? :-D
SUMO starting - 1st load
SUMO Scanning - 2nd load
SUMO checking - 3rd load ( and optionally 4th load
if you insist on load before check )
I have about 320 applications and about 550 one before scan is filtered.
3 loads takes quite a lot of time.
As an option SUMO could work in optionally fully automated mode:
It would scan applications,
examine and filter the scan list
and check for the updates,
all in the single step, without even single button click of the user.
||I guess it is reproducible (happens on all system i've installed it so far), i guess many ppl are bothered by it, it shouldn't be "hard" to implement (at least an option which checks to make) but sure it would take some time to implement (as you have to change/add parts in several places of code), as well as it has not that high priority (compared to bugs, some feature-lacks, ..).|
I just ... this design flaw was reported 4 years ago, by author himself.. :-)
Also in April 2010 Kyle says it will be fixed quickly..
For me and most people I know of, this is by far the most annoying aspect of current SUMo implementation. I think this issue should be given a much higher priority by Kyle, cause it seriously cripples user experience. There's no other as irritating bug as this one and it stands with no action for a too long time.
P.S. New features can wait... besides 0001642, of course :)
I also noticed SUMo usually loads much faster on the immediate subsequent runs after the first one (on the scale of 6..15 sec down from 30..90sec for about 325 filtered apps). I guess this is due to local file system caching on the OS level, but may also be due to remote caching, too -- not figured yet whether it actually does remote polling at this stage, but I presume so.
Also, the duration of the very first "cold" loading is very diverse even under the same hardware/software configuration (30 - 90 sec for me, almost idle machine state).
I'm back. This issue is not my NUMBER ONE priority for next release.
Concerning 1st cold run being faster, i have to investigate in which extend to OS/HDD caching and how it cas be optimized by better processing by SUMo.
Kyle, I perfectly understand that your priorities as a developer are not always the same as regular users' priorities are -- you're trying to make a living here and we just want to make our lives/jobs a bit more convenient. But please do not underestimate usability issues, too -- for most users they are among the most significant if not the top ones. No software with serious UX issues can hope for a high popularity, despite all its other possibly coolest features. The reported issue at hand is exactly one of such problems. It annoys lots of users *every* time they use your software, which can't be good both for your business and reputation as a developer. Please get me right, I'm criticizing only because I want to help make it better: for you, myself and the whole SUMo community, current and future.
To recap: I'm not expecting it to be your #1 task for the next release, but please don't let it rust for years ;)
ROFL... I thought it reloading a couple of times was normal XD
I do not have that bad of a problem though.... only 48 programs and its on my ssd.
With hundreds on HD it can be very annoying, even irritating.
SUMO has plenty of updates addressing proper managing of particular software.
But I have occacional feelings that Kyle perhaps does not give enough attention to the program itself.
... no I simply doesn't have much time these days !
That what it takes to be a developper during my free time and father of 2 cool daughters :)
It is perfectly understandably, Kyle. :)
It is just thinking about distribution of time you can spend on SUMO.
|2008-09-28 10:13||Kyle_Katarn||New Issue|
|2008-09-28 10:14||Kyle_Katarn||Assigned To||=> Kyle_Katarn|
|2008-09-28 10:14||Kyle_Katarn||Status||new => feedback|
|2008-09-28 10:14||Kyle_Katarn||Status||feedback => acknowledged|
|2009-06-09 11:59||Kyle_Katarn||Note Added: 0000534|
|2009-08-12 00:39||Kyle_Katarn||Note Added: 0000549|
|2009-08-12 00:39||Kyle_Katarn||Status||acknowledged => feedback|
|2010-04-15 21:29||godarts||Note Added: 0000573|
|2010-04-15 21:50||Kyle_Katarn||Note Added: 0000576|
|2010-04-15 21:50||Kyle_Katarn||Status||feedback => assigned|
|2012-05-17 14:24||Kyle_Katarn||Note Added: 0000780|
|2012-05-17 14:24||Kyle_Katarn||Status||assigned => feedback|
|2012-05-20 14:20||Kyle_Katarn||Note Added: 0000796|
|2012-05-20 14:20||Kyle_Katarn||Status||feedback => assigned|
|2012-05-20 14:20||Kyle_Katarn||Status||assigned => acknowledged|
|2012-06-03 09:14||poutnikg||Note Added: 0000838|
|2012-06-03 19:28||poutnikg||Note Added: 0000849|
|2012-06-19 08:18||poutnikg||Note Added: 0000887|
|2012-07-12 19:44||dinovom||Note Added: 0000942|
|2012-07-12 19:47||dinovom||Note Edited: 0000942||View Revisions|
|2012-07-12 19:50||dinovom||Note Edited: 0000942||View Revisions|
|2012-07-23 07:56||poutnikg||Note Added: 0000990|
|2012-07-23 07:59||poutnikg||Note Edited: 0000990||View Revisions|
|2012-07-28 12:10||bytehead||Tag Attached: UX|
|2012-10-19 14:40||poutnikg||Note Added: 0001263|
|2012-10-19 14:41||poutnikg||Tag Attached: optimization|
|2012-10-19 14:41||poutnikg||Tag Attached: UI|
|2012-10-19 14:56||poutnikg||Note Added: 0001264|
|2012-10-19 15:22||dinovom||Note Added: 0001265|
|2012-10-19 17:29||poutnikg||Note Added: 0001266|
|2012-10-19 17:29||poutnikg||Note Edited: 0001266||View Revisions|
|2012-10-19 17:32||poutnikg||Note Edited: 0001266||View Revisions|
|2012-10-20 12:58||bytehead||Relationship added||related to 0001642|
|2012-10-20 13:18||bytehead||Note Added: 0001267|
|2012-10-20 13:18||bytehead||Note Edited: 0001267||View Revisions|
|2012-10-20 13:34||bytehead||Note Added: 0001268|
|2012-10-20 13:35||bytehead||Note Edited: 0001268||View Revisions|
|2012-10-20 13:45||bytehead||Note Edited: 0001268||View Revisions|
|2012-10-20 13:46||bytehead||Note Edited: 0001268||View Revisions|
|2012-10-20 13:47||bytehead||Note Edited: 0001268||View Revisions|
|2012-10-20 13:49||bytehead||Priority||normal => high|
|2012-10-20 13:49||bytehead||Reproducibility||have not tried => always|
|2012-10-20 18:01||Kyle_Katarn||Note Added: 0001274|
|2012-10-20 18:01||Kyle_Katarn||Priority||high => immediate|
|2012-10-20 18:01||Kyle_Katarn||Severity||minor => major|
|2012-10-20 19:00||bytehead||Note Added: 0001276|
|2012-12-29 19:15||Kyle_Katarn||Relationship added||related to 0001881|
|2013-04-08 17:58||poutnikg||Note Added: 0001415|
|2013-04-16 20:19||Tythesly||Note Added: 0001416|
|2013-04-16 20:53||poutnikg||Note Added: 0001417|
|2013-04-16 21:40||Kyle_Katarn||Note Added: 0001418|
|2013-04-17 00:33||poutnikg||Note Added: 0001420|
|2013-06-09 13:47||Kyle_Katarn||Status||acknowledged => resolved|
|2013-06-09 13:47||Kyle_Katarn||Fixed in Version||=> 3.7|
|2013-06-09 13:47||Kyle_Katarn||Resolution||open => fixed|